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Spotlight on Ukraine, and a case for investment in global security

Talk by former U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch is hosted by the Weinberg College Center for International and Area Studies at Northwestern
Marie Yovanovitch
Marie Yovanovitch spoke in a discussion moderated by Center for International and Area Studies director Ian Hurd (left), a professor of political science and expert in international law. Ian Kelly (right), Northwestern’s Ambassador in Residence, joined in conversation. Photo by Nathan Mandell

The stakes in Ukraine remain existential — not just for Ukrainians, but for the security of the entire global community. This was the message that the former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch delivered at an April 19 event hosted by the Weinberg College Center for International and Area Studies (WCCIAS) at Northwestern.

In her comments, Yovanovitch underscored that providing support to Ukraine “is not a charity,” but an investment in global security.

“If we don't support Ukraine and help Ukraine end this war with victory,” she said, Russia will continue pursuing territorial expansion in the region. Europe will be destabilized, and the international order will be undermined if Russia doesn’t face accountability, she continued, ultimately making the U.S. itself “less secure, [less] prosperous and … less free.”

Yovanovitch spoke in a discussion moderated by Center for International and Area Studies director Ian Hurd, a professor of political science and expert in international law.

“It’s important for Russia to understand that this is not the way to settle disputes in the 21st century.”
– Marie Yovanovitch

The Center for International and Area Studies is Weinberg’s unified hub for interdisciplinary teaching, research and programs on international and regional issues. It is a key facet of Northwestern’s outward-facing, global approach to dialogue, research and problem-solving.

Ian Kelly, Northwestern’s Ambassador in Residence, joined Yovanovitch in conversation.

Kelly previously served as U.S. Ambassador to Georgia and to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and is currently appointed in the departments of Slavic languages and literatures and international studies.

Yovanovitch began by describing the breakdown of normal diplomacy that she experienced as U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine under the Trump administration, when, she said, there was a disconnect between the State Department and the White House that jeopardized key American foreign policy goals.

Foreign service officers “expect to do hard things” while promoting American policies and defending American security and values abroad, Yovanovitch said. But in return, they expect that administrations will say, “We have your back.”

That wasn’t the case under Trump, she said, who was often fickle in his decision making and relied on an inside group of advisors who didn’t always coordinate with the State Department, which undermined ambassadors’ ability to work effectively.

Ultimately, Yovanovitch was the victim of a smear campaign led by a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor, which was fanned by the American media, she said.

But rather than defending her, the administration turned against her, and recalled her from her post months before Trump made his famous phone call to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in which he pressured Zelenskyy to investigate the Biden family, and tied that request to the continued receipt of U.S. aid.

That phone call was ultimately the cause of Trump’s first impeachment, and Yovanovitch gave key testimony in his impeachment hearings.

Hurd asked whether misogyny might have played a role in the way she was treated by the Trump administration, and Yovanovitch acknowledged that it may have been a factor.

However, she placed more emphasis on the value of having women in diplomatic posts more broadly, telling a story about a little boy who once asked her “whether boys could be ambassadors” too.

“I love telling that story, because it always gets a laugh, and I think it makes a point,” she said. It’s hard for children to imagine themselves in a role if no one that looks like them has ever been in it before.

Yovanovitch and Kelly also discussed the future of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

They agreed that the Biden administration has done an effective job uniting European allies, imposing strong sanctions and providing military support.

They also acknowledged some of the challenges ahead for sustaining the coalition for the duration of the war — including the upcoming U.S. presidential election, division within Congress, the war’s heavy costs, and the fact that the U.S. and its allies would need to make major investments if they truly wanted to ramp up military spending.

“We have not fully embraced the idea that the goal should be for Ukraine to win and for Russia to lose,” Yovanovitch said, even though that is the way she feels personally. “It's important for Russia to understand that this is not the way to settle disputes in the 21st century. Russia’s dreams of empire must end now.” 

At the end of the event, Yovanovitch signed copies of her recent book, “Lessons from the Edge: A Memoir,” published last year, which details both her upbringing and experiences as a career diplomat in the State Department and the tumultuous final years of her tenure during the Trump administration.